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  Luke 23:43 the NWT

  by Ade in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  luke 23:43 - and jesus said to him, "positively i say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.

  nwt places comma here , giving a totally different meaning to the verse.

  now the average jw uses this to back their doctrine and it seems in itself virtually impossible to reason with them on it.

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  raymond frantz

  EasyPrompt, you need to re-educate yourself on how to read and analyse text especially when it comes to the Bible.For example the word Tartarus

  1. Appears only in Greek literature and has a specific meaning

  2. The Greeks didn't think it to be mythological, they actually believed in a subterranean abode called Tartarus where the fallen angels or Titans where imprisoned

  3. Peter and Jude borrowed the word and the consept to describe the same place.

  4.Just because you don't believe it , it doesn't make it figurative

  5.Nothing in the context or surrounding verses justifies figurative interpretation

  6. Watchtower does the same thing, if they don't understand something they make it figurative

  May I ask which part of the globe are you from? No need to give specifics
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  113

  Luke 23:43 the NWT

  by Ade in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  luke 23:43 - and jesus said to him, "positively i say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.

  nwt places comma here , giving a totally different meaning to the verse.

  now the average jw uses this to back their doctrine and it seems in itself virtually impossible to reason with them on it.

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  raymond frantz

  No EasyPrompt, the early Christians didn't think it to be figurative they believed it to be LITERAL.I'd rather believe their interpretation rather some theory concorted 20 centuries later that tries to make everything figurative, THERE IS LIFE UNDER THE EARTH.Jesus taught it,The apostles taught it, The Jews and so many other cultures before believe it to be the case
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  Luke 23:43 the NWT

  by Ade in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  luke 23:43 - and jesus said to him, "positively i say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.

  nwt places comma here , giving a totally different meaning to the verse.

  now the average jw uses this to back their doctrine and it seems in itself virtually impossible to reason with them on it.

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  raymond frantz

  The 1st century Jews believed Paradise to be a compartment of Hades or Seol were the "blessed" went. Jesus didn't go to heaven that day neither he was asleep in the grave, he went to Seol and then to preach to the spirits in prison who are in a different compartment called Tartarus, this was a famous article of faith that all first few centuries Christians believed and recited called the "Harrowing of Hell" look it up
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  original reddit post (removed).

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  raymond frantz

  I can think of at least 50 deviances from his book 🤣🤣🤣

  
  
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  Babylon the Great and the Bio-Pharmaceutical Complex

  by was a new boy in

  1. social
  2. current

  a biblical interpretation of the covid-19 vaccine fiasco.

  peter a. mccullough, md, mph™.

  jul 8, 2023. .

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  raymond frantz

  Great research, enjoyed reading it. Babylon the Great is an actual city that controls the whole world for the first 3 1/2 years of the LAST DAYS as clearly stated in the book of Revelation but I don't think vaccinations is what she is engaging in. The verses more likely refer to form of worship that will exist in the end times, as in old times sorcery was relying on the use of drugs (= pharmakeia) to bring the person in a state of mind where he/she engages with the spirit world so it will be in the near future.
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  Guaranteed way not to get disfellowshipped

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if it’s looking like someone may be disfellowshiped or announced they are no longer a jw and they don’t want to be shunned they just want to fade without being shunned - just say that would make me suicidal .

  simple.

  in the new shepherding book it says if they say that then don’t go ahead with it.

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  raymond frantz

  ExBethelitenowPIMA, spoton
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  NEW DRAMA: UN CAMPS are a provision from Jehovah

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  un camps are a provision from jehovah .

  https://www.youtube.com/@jwupdate?sub_confirmation=1.

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  raymond frantz

  Hi Bluesbrother, this is my video, I'm sorry to hear that you think it is blathering, I'm making a clear point that this video is an informatial for UN CAMPS and since the Watchtower supposedly is against United Nations such adoration should not be allowed

  (,English is my second language and I have sacrificed alot as a jw (time,energy, and jw punishments)to have my face on youtube )
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  Guaranteed way not to get disfellowshipped

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if it’s looking like someone may be disfellowshiped or announced they are no longer a jw and they don’t want to be shunned they just want to fade without being shunned - just say that would make me suicidal .

  simple.

  in the new shepherding book it says if they say that then don’t go ahead with it.

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  raymond frantz

  This happened in my congregation and an elder's daughter used it to avoid disfewllowshiping, it worked like a treat.It is not fading ,she never tried to fade and she comes and goes as she pleases based on mental issues get out of jail card. This is better than fading.
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  NEW DRAMA: UN CAMPS are a provision from Jehovah

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  un camps are a provision from jehovah .

  https://www.youtube.com/@jwupdate?sub_confirmation=1.

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  UN CAMPS are a provision from JEHOVAH

  https://www.youtube.com/@jwupdate?sub_confirmation=1

  
  
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  Regional convention 2023

  by sove in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  any streamed content from this years regional convention available with any of you guys?

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  raymond frantz